Sound & fury over A.J.'s Media Queen rant (Cont.)
Dec. 5, 2003
Dear Editor:
Re: "Yo, planner, learn some manners"?
Can you please send this to all our clients?
I would love to forward this to them myself but would prefer
to avoid a confrontation with potential 2004 spenders. (Please do not use
my name.)
Dec. 4, 2003
Dear Editor:
I don't usually do this; however,
something in A.J. Livsey article just seemed very short to me.
I am a media planner/buyer in San Antonio and have been one
for the past 23 years. I am experienced in both the good and the bad in
this business. However, everybody deserves common courtesy.
In my current position, which I have held for the past 14
years, I have learned a lot from my "partners" in the media
world.
Granted there have been times that I could not meet with a
"just dropped in to see you" sales person because of workload;
but I can't remember one time when I did not learn something from a
planned meeting with a sales person.
The business has changed over the years, since your staff
writer was only in the business a short time, maybe she did not adjust
well to being a media planner. It does take a special person to handle
this job.
I operate our department on the philosophy that my mother
taught me "You get more flies with honey" and the golden rule -
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
It sure makes the day brighter and you just might learn
something.
Debbie Hamilton
The PM Group
San Antonio
Nov. 24, 2003
Dear Editor:
Amen to this...You get what you give.
Linda DiLembo
Media Planner/Buyer
Grady Britton
Portland, Oregon
Nov. 24, 2003
Dear Editor:
First off, GREAT
ARTICLES. I have been a long time fan and reader of the Media Life
website, but this will be my first time commenting. I think the elements
that have been discussed in this series of articles has both been funny
and interesting and would like to add my comments.
I am a former Media Planner/Supervisor, that went to the
Client side and who also grew up on the business (father was in
advertising). I would love to share some comments for both the Sales
Community and the Media Planning community.
TO THE PLANNERS:
Understand your role in the greater scheme of
things:
Just because you are working on Clinet X with a
Male 18-49 target does not mean that within a weeks time, you will not be
working on a piece of business that exclusively targets females because
another planner decided to move on to new opportunities. Media Planning is
one of the most fluid facets of the Advertising business, with high levels
of staff turnover, internal account rotations, and Client assignments.
Your job is to understand the publications that are appropriate for your
Client, but it is naive if you think that you should not learn about other
publications. When the head of your department schedules a meeting with a
Publisher to have their staff come in and present something, don't blow
off the meeting because "you wouldn't put this publication on the
plan anyway." If your director thought it was important enough to
have these people come in, then go to the meeting and hear what they have
to say. You may be talking to the sales rep next month for a new business
pitch or on your next account.
Maintain good ethical standards:
Just because reps are willing to give you things, does not mean
that you should be taking it. I was a Planner during the dot com boom,
working on a Client with a $20 Million print budget and a target wide
enough to run in publications ranging from Individual Investor to People.
During the planning process, every rep was offering up gifts, lunches,
dinners, tickets, and anything else they could think of to help
differentiate themselves. That's pretty exciting for a 25 year old Media
Supervisor, but we did the right thing. We told all the Sales reps that we
would not accept anything, nor schedule any lunches until we recommended
and approved a plan. BE FAIR WITH THE SALES COMMUNITY. DO NOT ACCEPT
ANYTHING UNLESS YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM. They have a lot of
Clients that their efforts will better be focused on, so if you know that
they are not going to make the cut, then don't take them up on their
offers. Sure, it's a thin ethical line, but try to do the right thing -
Sales reps will appreciate it and it will benefit you down the line.
Dedicate Time to Communicate with the Sales Community.
Sure, the business moves a mile a minute, but your team needs to
work on a time management structure that provides time to meet with reps
during slower periods of the year, so that you are not inundated when
planning comes around. Obviously this is easier said than done, but work
with your team to come up with a system that works because you will need
to demonstrate the ability to manage people, relationships, and time to
propel yourself to the next level. Never cancel on a rep when they are
waiting out in the lobby. Sure, things come up during the day, but you
need to make sure that you can take your meetings (schedule them in the
early AM or during slow points in the day if things continually come up
during your days).
Think of the Sales Community as a Partner:
The objective is to get the Client the best deal package
possible. This does not happen overnight by writing an RFP and demading
the best possible rates and positioning. Chances are the covers and TOC
are taken by long-term advertisers anyway, so see what they can bring you
that is synergistic with your Client's plan objectives. Most of the time,
the rush to get a response from an RFP is dictated by the need to secure
planning rates, so just ask the rep for exactly what you need in the
short-term and let them continue to develop ideas - your Client will
appreciate well thought out ideas and you will build relationships with
the Sales reps. Don't doubt for a second that they will be a tremendous
help for you when you decide that you need to move on to another
opportunity (and you all know that is coming sooner than later).
Stop Hiding Behind Syndicated Research:
MRI data is only going to tell you half the story. Understand
the publication and how it may fit into you overall plan. If it doesn't
make sense from a strategic/editorial perspective, then tell them that.
When you get yourself into "the numbers," the rep has no other
choice but to show you how the numbers work in their advantage. You know
that the numbers can be manipulated to prove the story that you want it
to, so don't use them as a shield when providing feedback to the rep. If
the numbers of the publication were not right, they would have never been
invited to pitch the business in the first place. (You can use MRI data to
send away the cold callers). If a pub submitted an RFP, then you should
provide feedback so your rep can explain things to his bosses (you are not
the only one that has someone to answer to).
TO THE SALES REPS
My advice is simple: Appreciate the Cyclical
Nature of the Business
Your time is better served meeting with the whole team and
not a one-on-one with an Assistant Media Planner that just graduated from
college. Sure, there are meeting quotas that you all have to meet, but
there is a difference between quantity of meetings and quality of
meetings.
Work with your director/publisher (whoever you have to
show your schedule to) to come up with a weighted quota system, where a
meeting with a whole planning team is worth more than a one-on-one meeting
with someone that is likely not to know the answers you are trying to get
or be off the business within 6 months. Your job is to service the Client
and this is better served by developing a relationship with the overall
team rather than an individual (more continuity on an aggreate level).
Add Value for the Agency
Make sure that you know their Client's business. Provide the
Agency with interesting articles about their Client that will help them
stay on top of their business. Not only will this help them, but it will
also demonstrate that you are looking out for their interests and keeping
current with what is going on in the world that you are calling on. Don't
ask for a meeting unless you have something new and relevant to present.
Use research as support.
If you want planners to understand your publication, then
keep the numbers in the appendix of the presentation. First of all, Media
people are sensitive about their time, so get straight to the point. Also,
you know your audience is likely to be overworked and tired. If you get
into numbers, you are going to lose them because it is something that they
should already know and let's be honest, it is not exactly exciting and
attention grabbing. Include it in the leave behind and as a reference for
the meeting. A good planner (or one that needs to know) will ask you the
questions that your research proves/disproves.
Understand your Audience.
Determine how the planner prefers to communicate and work
within that preference. If they are a phone person, call them, if they
prefer e-mail, send them a note, but pick one and don't follow-up your
calls with e-mails or vice versa -- it runs the risk of annoying them and
will not help your chances of getting a response.
Guide the Ethics of Favor Provision
This gets back to the grey line discussed earlier. Sure, you
are going to do whatever you can to differentiate your publication, but
the truth is that the Sales community is more culpable for the state of
the business today. If Sales people offer things up tickets, lunches, etc.
to prospective business, then you are opening yourself up to requests for
more things down the line and is that going to help you chances to get on
the plan -- probably not.
Remember, the majority of planners in the business can barely pay
their rent (especially in NYC), so who can fault them for accepting
things. Start weaning off from giving things to Clients that you are not
doing business with, unless it builds the equity of your publication and
helps your chances (parties, events, etc). An outing to a Yankee game does
nothing to help your chances if you are a rep at Better Homes and Gardens.
Save this stuff to build relationships with a team that you have existing
business with to help better understand the needs of the Client.
Otherwise, you are going to become a ticket broker.
Marc Hanson
New York
Nov. 24, 2003
Dear Editor:
All is forgiven.
I applaud A.J. for revisiting this topic from a sales
perspective.
She's proven in both articles that she's an incredibly
talented writer.
She's proven in the article titled 'yo planner, learn some manners'
that she's wise beyond her years.
Marcy Kettler-Thibault
Account Executive
Nov. 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
Can't we all just
get along.
Like everything in this world nothing is black and white. A.J.
has some tremendous points but nothing is ever that one sided. ("Please,
rep, don't waste my time")
I have worked with a number of
sales "Partners" over the years. If you call them
"Rep-tiles" that is exactly what you will get.
I would like to acknowledge the best part about being partners with
sales reps. No, it's not lunches and SWAG. It's learning more about how to do
our jobs better. Our job is to make sure the client’s goals are reached.
Is there a new development, opportunity or product we don’t know
about?
Let the sales professionals tell us, but please also tie it
back to our client’s needs. It’s building the better mousetrap. Can we
make a printed page or a billboard reach someone 10 different ways.
Integrating executions so each medium is doing its job. We have to tell
the sales people what that job is. It's about being able to ask if they can
do something they have never done before and working through the problems
versus throwing our arms up and calling it a day.
Set the bar wherever you want. Sales partner to Rep-tile.
Communicate your goals and objective. Lay down clear ground rules of how
you need the planning process to happen. That’s what it takes. Let's try
and get there.
Your site has always been about education and information.
Kristofer Chun
Media strategy consultant
Kala Media
Los Angeles
Nov. 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
It is no wonder people on both sides of the desk were
offended by the ("Please,
rep, don't waste my time")
article.
What if you published an article by a 26-year-old salesperson
telling buyers and planners how to do their jobs?
Following A.J.'s instruction, a sales rep would find themselves out
of a job in six months. The buyer-seller relationship should be symbiotic
rather than adversarial.
Hardy Johnson
General Motors R*Works
Nov. 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
GREAT story.
Thanks, A.J., for having the guts to speak your mind and get the
industry talking. The industry needs to talk.
It's a bit naive for sales people to think we don't
communicate with our clients. On a separate note, I thought rookies were
only considered such in their first year? You think sales people think
they are rookies after five years? Probably not.
Great writing. It got our department talking!
Amy E. Baker
Media Manager
mckinney+silver
Nov. 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
Although there are some valid points regarding A.J.'s article, I
would have had more respect for her thoughts had she been on the other
side of the desk at some point.
I have been on both sides, first as a client and then as a rep, and I
have to say it's a bit easier to criticize the sales people when you have
what they are looking to obtain.
I used to die when I would answer the phone and it would be a rep,
as I knew that I would either lose about 15 minutes of my day right there,
or would be forced to be rude to get off the phone.
As a client you are not paid by the amount of rep calls you accept,
and being nice to reps does not appear on the review sheet at the end of
the year when raises are being considered.
However, now that I have been on the sales side for about
seven years, I can honestly say that I had no idea what went into the job
of a print sales rep. You are forced to call, cajole and beg at times for
meetings, business, and sometimes even to be treated with the respect that
any human being deserves.
About 80 percent of the clients are wonderful and easy to
work with, but the 20 percent that are not can and do drive many people
out of the business.
My point is, just give these guys a break. Some of them are new to
the business, lack self confidence, or are merely intimidated by the fact that
you have no interest in talking or meeting with them.
They are trying to get their job done just like you are. Yes, they
should be more prepared, but if you are booking the call with them, you
should also be willing to give them the respect that they deserve as a
human being and fellow advertising community member and listen to what
they have to say. You just might hear something that will help you do a
better job for your client.
Susan Wallingford
Corporate Sales Director
Nov. 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
I
started reading A.J. Livsey’s article, ("Please,
rep, don't waste my time")
with the same approach that I take to most articles that are written from
the buyer’s point of view-- curiosity--and hope that in it I might
glean something interesting about why our industry has become so
adversarial.
Why indeed. Do most media planners really think this way? Do they
rant and make sweeping generalizations about sales reps?
I have one question. Who in the heck was calling on you? “One in
10 magazine sales reps really know his or her business.” Are you
kidding? Anyone who ever called on A.J. Livsey should do the rest of the
industry a favor and quit now!
I, too, believe that advertising is a business of
communication. But for every rep without a clue, there are 10 fresh-from-graduation media planners who are over-worked, under-paid and
drowning in a sea of senior-level decision making that is beyond their
three weeks of training.
Pleasant to work with? Sales reps eat crow every day,
listening to the most inane and free-form reasoning on a daily basis. If
the media properties aren’t communicating properly with the media
planners, it may have something to do with the attitude of the writer: ‘There’s
nothing you can tell me that I don’t already know.’
Here are some don’ts for you:
1. With regard to time-wasters: Don’t send a request for proposal
- with a two-day turnaround that asks for a laundry list of “Big Ideas”
(which you have no intention of buying with your client’s reduced
budget).
And please don’t ask us to “create something that best
personifies your magazine.” Why oh why does a rep need a glue gun and a
Masters degree in fine arts? It’s a waste of time and money and does
nothing to demonstrate the power of the brand that we’re selling.
2. Don’t categorize magazines to make your media planning simpler. If
you’re targeting women (or men), look at ALL magazines that most
effectively and powerfully reach that audience.
Don’t approach your plan with a “one deep in each category”
mantra. “Oh, we’re not looking at
travel-beauty-epicurean-shelter-fashion-health-lifestyle” (we’ve all
heard it). Even if the readers in those forbidden categories actually are
the target audience? Interesting.
3. Respect, you say? Respect our relationship with your client. We know
your client. We were calling on your client before you got your job and
they will still be our client long after you’ve rotated to another
account or left media planning to write for Media Life.
If you actually want us to believe that all good ideas will be
championed by our media contacts, you’re crazy. We go to the client
because, more often than not, great ideas are “shot down” (A.J.’s
words) by the agency because you’re too busy to change your flow chart.
Furthermore, it’s mutual respect, baby. Don’t treat us
like petulant children. If you invited us to pitch a piece of business and
we didn’t make the plan, we want to know why. Most sales people want to
know that they’ve done everything possible to win an account. When you
don’t win a piece of business that absolutely should be in your pages,
you can’t sleep until you find out why.
And tell us the truth. Smoke screen answers are so obvious.
4. Don’t make reference to a long-forgotten time that you weren’t even
a part of. The reference to ex-football player publishers who practiced
wacky macho jock stuff at three-martini lunches filled with empty bragging
was ridiculous. “It’s a different marketplace now. There are lots of
women in it, and more and more at the top”….yeah, since 1983 when the
esteemed writer was 6.
Did you actually ever meet an ex-football player publisher? Or have
a three-martini lunch? Neither have I or anyone else I know and I’ve
been in magazine advertising sales for 16 years.
5. Don’t paint an entire industry with the same brush. All sales people
are not imbeciles and all media planners do not universally hate us. Some
of us actually understand our job--to help your client move product so
that we all look good.
Look, we all thought we knew everything when we started our
first jobs at 21. Clearly, A.J. Livsey’s notes on the dos and don’ts
of advertising sales were written during the ripe years of 21- 26.
Reread your diatribe in about 10 years and I’m sure you’ll have
a red face about it.
P.S. And by the way some magazines actually are No. 1. By any measurement.
Kate Dixon
Midwest Director
Miller Dixon Media
Chicago
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
I thought that A.J.'s article ("Please,
rep, don't waste my time") was well written and very
accurate. She brought up many good points about the information and
qualities that media planners/buyers look for in reps.
I don't think that her age is a valid reason for some
of the readers to be upset. With her almost five years of media planning
experience, it appears that she is very knowledgeable on media planning
and that she made her clients' goals a priority. I think that the readers
should be more focused on her knowledge and experience than
her age.
Perhaps Media Life Magazine should ask someone on their staff (or
someone in sales who is a knowledgeable sales rep) to write a similar
column about buyers and planners.
Marlene Kruelle
Broadcast & Online Media Consultant
Atlanta
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
Let me just start by saying
that the feedback regarding this article was forwarded to me by my beloved
media director. His point: to remind us that media sellers are part of the
cycle. And I can't agree with him more.
"Let me be blunt here." I'm an assistant media planner that's
only been in this business for 2 years. In the two years that I have
worked on various media on various accounts. This doesn't make me an
expert in any way, and this doesn't make my opinion more or less
valid than any one else in advertising.
Here is what I think really needs to be said, at least
as my own representative, to media sellers: Thank you for every outlandish
effort you've put forth, not just for the client, but for also for me. And
maybe you're not doing it for me, but you're doing it. You're making the
impossible work so I don't have to say no to the client. So, thank you.
Don't get me wrong. I have met some people that aren't very skilled
as media sellers, but I can say the exact same statement in regards to
media planners and buyers. We're all human, and we weren't all born to
sell media.
And a quick comment to A.J. : I've had frustration with media sellers, but
don't think for a second that media sellers don't have day to day
frustration with media planners or buyers. I know I've bugged the hell out
of them and had some freakishly inconceivable requests on behalf of my
client.
But thank you, A.J., for your opinion. We all have
them.
Melissa Pongpitoon
Assistant Media Planner
FCB
Irvine, Calif.
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
Sometimes the truth hurts!
As a salesperson I can say, no one in our community should
be shocked or surprised by anything A.J. wrote. A little more thought and
preparation would do everybody a little good -- on both sides of the desk.
In the interest of fairness and equal time, A.J. should do a
piece on some of the more irritating media planning idiosyncrasies. That
too would be a "lively" conversation.
A.J. is indeed a little smart-assy, but I thought it was a
good piece.
David O'Connell
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
I loved her article and forwarded it to all of my media
buying pals!!
Teresa Knight McMenamin
Warner Advertising Group
Burbank, Calif.
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
Well, the good
news is that we, media planners, are reading your email blast daily.
Unfortunately, I think that A.J.'s story was taken out of context.
Agreed that she may have been too "hard" in generalizing all magazine
sales representatives because on the whole most are very good, but some
of what she said is very true.
Good sales reps can be instrumental in the success of a media
plan and make sure that your ad program gets good placement, great value
added and the best rates possible for your client.
The multitude of phone
calls and plans media planners receive is part of the game, but there some
sales representatives that can put a downer on your day.
Some are not very knowledgeable, some do go behind your back
to the client and some don't know when to stop pitching, but that I doubt
will ever change.
Media buyers and planners are there to siphon through the
clutter for the client.
That's our job, and it can be hard at times, but
when you meet that gem of a sales representative that makes you look like
a goddess/god to the client it's worth a 1,000 bad sales reps.
Dana Wright
Burgundy Group
Nashville
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
There are good sales reps and bad sales reps just like there are good
planners and bad planners. I’m sure both sides could write many lengthy
articles on all the bad practices out there. Maybe we should focus on “the
best practices” for both sides and actually do something to improve the
relationships.
Gwen Conley
Director of Integrated Marketing
davidandgoliath
Los Angeles
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
I met A.J. about a year or so
ago and I remember enjoying her scorching sense of humor.
Clearly, she still has it. While I think her article
"Please, rep, don't waste my time" was well written, she may have gotten a
little too clever.
Having been on both sides of the desk (sales assistant
briefly and media planning for 15 years), I know that there are good and
bad apples on both sides. I was not a good sales assistant because I
didn't understand what I needed to know (and I didn't like taking no for
an answer); but that is the nature of being new to most businesses. Many
people stay in the business without ever realizing what it is that makes a
good sales or media person, and sadly, many don't care.
Knowing a client's business and name is not too much to ask,
especially if there is some incentive (aka income/commission/ sense of
accomplishment, etc.) involved. There are a few gems out there, but I
agree with A.J. that they are not in the majority.
Overall A.J.'s views are a little too tongue in cheek (or is it
hostile?) for most people (especially those not gifted with a sense of
humor), but she's not entirely wrong.
As for rule #5, not everyone merits respect, and despite what
people believe, quite often they don't have the authority they like to
claim.
Many people getting into the business today have an extremely
inflated sense of entitlement, despite being hired as low man on the totem
pole. Respect is earned and authority is not automatic. All slates are
clear when I first meet with someone (a rep), but if he/she isn't prepared
for the meeting, unless there are extreme circumstances, then it's strike
one. After two strikes, I generally will take it up with management so
that when/if they don't get the business they will know why.
Lastly, I believe that A.J.'s rules should include being
considerate. Consideration includes honesty, hard work and respecting
other's time and effort (including returning all phone calls, which
I insist my people do). Basically, when all is said and done, doesn't it
all come down to the "Golden Rule"?
Hillary Ryland
Media
Planning Director
RJ Palmer
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
I try to read Media Life every
morning, but I missed Monday, which means I didn't get to read A.J.
Livsey's apparently inflammatory commentary on magazine sales reps.
But I did read Gene Ely's this morning ("Rebutting
A.J.: Rant of a Media Queen")
and was curious.
Based on the quotes in Gene's piece from some angry sales people, I
figured A.J. must be another untenured, snot-nosed, wet-behind-the-ears
kid who didn't have a clue about the media business.
I should mention I'm a 36-year seasoned media veteran who has
worked at major NYC agencies and buying services and that I have a
curmudgeon box I use to deliver rants on many topics. So, I was ready to
tear A.J. a new one. And I read her commentary.
Absolutely
on the money.
Everything stated was correct. My feeling is those who
have found fault with A.J. are guilty of the offenses stated in her
commentary.
The article was very well written, with just the right mix of
sarcasm and irony.
More to the point, I didn't detect a hint of disrespect
in the tone or intent. Actually, the thoughtful observations and comments
read like it was written by someone with more years than A.J.
So, as they say, "Power to yer arm!" and "Good on ya."
Keep up the good work.
John
Maher
Associate Media Director
FCB Southern California
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
I didn't get a
chance to read A.J.'s article yesterday so I read your rebuttal first
("Rebutting
A.J.: Rant of a Media Queen").
I expected to find a vicious attack with unfounded accusations
against media reps when I finally did read A.J.'s article.
What I found was a truthful account of what really happens
more often than not in the world of print rep sales calls.
It's also a sad truth that the most of the vociferous
protests probably came from the very offenders themselves.
Bravo A.J.!
By the way, I am not 26 and have been buying every media type
for major accounts for 30 years. It took A.J. only four years to learn the
truth.
No wonder she left media planning.
Colleen O'Kane
EVP, Corporate Media Director
Fahlgren
Columbus, Ohio
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
I enjoyed A.J.'s story,
but have to say I was leery of her opinions since she did state her age at
the beginning.
She may be young and only slightly less jaded than the rest
of us but even those seasoned sellers have to admit she hit the nail on
the head more than once.
Since everyone is so up-in-arms about it, why not invite a
sales rep to submit a "guest" article as a rebuttal?
That would be funny. It would be even funnier if you could
find a sales rep with only five years experience who is the same age. Bet
you can't find one, since most of the media giants out there burn through
these poor kids like kindling.
Stacey Taylor
Media Director
Bradham-Hamilton Advertising
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
Please know, and pass this
along to A.J., that I LOVED LOVED LOVED the piece.
It was so dead on for both print and TV and radio that I was
jealous. I wish I had written that article. It was accurate!!
Andrew Ettinger
Media Supervisor
EarthQuake Media
New York
Nov. 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
Great article.
You could have substituted “Radio Rep” for “Magazine Rep”
and would have described our daily interactions perfectly!
Our company specializes in creating and placing
recruitment advertising for clients on radio, TV and cable.
I can’t tell you the number of “Special Recruitment Packages”
we get every week that have everything to do with stations unloading trash
inventory and nothing to do with targeted schedules that benefit our
clients.
Keep up the good writing!
John
Mitton
Houston
Nov. 17, 2003
Dear Editor:
I just
wanted to say thanks for the article.
A.J. Livsey makes some great points. I wish this
article could be sent to reps in all mediums.
There is nothing that bothers advertising media professionals
more than reps who don't know who they're pitching to or who/what the
client is all about.
I especially appreciate A.J. Livsey's comment about
"never, ever, ever, say your publication is number one."
Especially, when the readership is less than 100,000. Thank you A.J.
Livsey for saying the things most advertising media professionals have
been wanting to say for years but were afraid to at the risk of losing
their jobs!
Kenneth Wolff
Burrell Communications
Chicago
Nov. 17, 2003
Dear Editor:
In response to the article so
eloquently titled "Please rep, don't waste my time", I'm so
offended I can hardly see straight.
How is it that a 26-year-old rookie can criticize, undermine,
and scold sales reps and be commended for it? Everyone of us has a job.
We're all expected to follow the rules and guidelines of which
upper management sets forth.
Give me a day and I'll have a list just as long and twice as
articulate stating the idiosyncrasies of agency personnel.
I'm so tired of defending my profession. I'd love to let A.J. know
that respect is a luxury given only to those well deserving.
It's not automatic to any schlep that uses his or her brains
to PLACE media space. None of us are rocket scientists and I hate agency
brats that think otherwise.
Planning, selling or buying...we all just put commercials on
the air (or ads in magazines in this instance). It's really time sales
people were viewed as part of the process that helps make that happen, not
the annoying jerks that gets in the way.
Marcy Kettler-Thibault
Account Executive
Nov. 17, 2003
Dear Editor:
Just read A.J. Livsey's
November 17 column, "Please rep, don't waste my time."
I've been on the media planning and buying side of the
desk for over 15 years, I've dealt with more than my fair share of reps,
and even I was insulted by [her] very clichéd and patronizing viewpoint.
We're in a business that requires us to build relationships
with our media partners, not turn them into adversaries.
I really like your site, but if you're going to allow some
kid to use it as a place to vent about reps that apparently didn't respect
[her] (i.e. kiss [her] a**) enough, I'll get my media news and viewpoints
elsewhere. [She] just knocked the overall quality of your editorial down
several notches. Those that can, do, A.J., those that can't criticize
others.
Bruce Haynes
Vice President, Media Manager
DONER NATIONAL BROADCAST
Nov. 17, 2003
Dear Editor:
After
20+ years with DDB, leaving as SVP/Group Media Director when Omnicom
opened it's OMD buying service, I think I have a pretty good perspective
on what is generally right and wrong with the advertising media industry.
Of course, we're all entitled to our opinion,
especially when it comes to rights and wrongs. And in my opinion, an
example of one of the wrongs is blather the likes of which A.J. Livsey
posted in today's issue of Media Life.
Many of the points in the article are accurate. But the
presentation proved indicative of a huge problem I see today: kids... and
that's what people with five or less years in the business are... who feel
oh-so important.
True, media planners are swamped these days, as the Starcoms,
MindShares and other behemoths squeeze budgets by heaping more work on
fewer people.
And true, many reps don't use time appropriately. My
complaint with A.J.'s rant is the smugness in which it is offered. The
writer personifies a problem I saw as all to common: the young and
inexperienced media person as haughty, self-important, snotty know-it-all.
Under the heading "Respect My Authority," the
writer suggests assistant planners and media directors should not be
treated any differently.
Oh, really? After I nearly did a spit-take all over my
keyboard as I tried to control my laughter, I wondered, "Who
supervised this person? Who taught him or her to be so self-important?
While every media person should be treated with
proper respect, if an assistant feels he or she should be considered on
the same plane as the media director, they are sadly mistaken. Of course,
that's not to say they should be treated poorly.
But neither should they be treated the same as that
veteran (and that's more than just getting to age 30, A.J.) given the
responsibility for the agency's media product. I hate to break it to A.J.,
but respecting the authority of a media assistant is pretty easy, as media
assistants have no authority. They are trainees... gatekeepers. Acting
otherwise... and treating experienced sales people poorly... is a
disservice to one's client, and will earn one a poor reputation over time.
Unfortunately it happens all too often.
This article could have been a very helpful piece for
reps and planners alike. Mr. or Ms. Livsey squandered that opportunity,
even while making several valid points.
The value was lost in the negative and overly authoritative
tone. While not knowing A.J., but based on the attitude that colors
today's article, the industry is better off having this person out of the
agency side of the business. This is the kind of person who gives media a
bad name.
It seems as though this supports the old saw, "Those who
can't do, teach."
That said, I really appreciate Media Life. It's a great
publication and I am happy to receive it. Keep up the mostly excellent
work!
Dave Wilcox
General Manager
BlackHawk Farms
Frankfort, Ill.
You got it wrong on Maury' and 'Jerry'
October 14, 2003
Dear Editor:
I read with interest
your story by Kevin Downey on Tuesday, Sept. 30, headlined "In
syndication, strong get stronger."
What Kevin may not have realized is that "Maury"
and "Jerry" were in reruns, not originals. Our new season did
not begin until Sept. 14--so naturally their ratings would be lower than
other shows in originals.
Also, for Kevin to single out "Maury" and
"Jerry" as two of the weaker shows in syndication is odd since
in reality they are among the strongest and longest-running.
"Maury" finished the 2002-03 season as one of the
top-rated talk shows in syndication (frequently surpassing "Live with
Regis and Kelly").
It regularly gets numbers that are more than twice the
size of the highest-rated new shows--they could only dream of having
numbers that large--and a majority of the returning programs.
In fact, it may interest Kevin to know that "Maury"
has routinely beaten "Oprah" in the coveted women 18-34
demographic.
"Jerry," meanwhile, has consistently ranked among
the top five talk shows for six straight seasons--an amazing feat for any
series. Only "Oprah" can claim the same. It was also the first
and only talk show to have beaten "Oprah" for an entire season
and, in the current third quarter, it has posted year-to-year growth
despite being mostly in summer reruns.
Media Life ran a story based on outdated numbers--on the very
day the new national rankings report was released. The numbers change
dramatically each week, especially when first-run shows are debuting for
the new season with originals. Every other trade that week reported
ratings information for the week of Sept. 15. That is when
"Maury" and "Jerry" were up 12 percent and 5 percent,
respectively, week-to-week for their season premieres.
"Jerry" and "Maury" were relatively flat
year-to-year during their debut week, holding up quite well against
massive hurricane preemptions in East Coast markets.
Jim Benson
Senior vice president
Universal Television Distribution
The editor responds: The premise of the story holds.
Ratings for the most popular syndicated shows tend to be going up while
ratings for less popular programs tend to be falling. That isn’t a trend
limited to a single week but is an ongoing one that has been pronounced
early this season. That pattern was apparent for the week of Sept. 15,
which included the “Maury” and “Jerry Springer” premieres.
Focusing on talk shows and based on a comparison of household ratings to
the same week last year, as opposed to a week earlier when some shows were
still in reruns, the three top-rated programs posted significant
year-to-year increases while four of the five lower rated shows were down
or flat to last year. “Oprah” was up 18.3 percent, to a 7.1 rating,
“Dr. Phil” was up 18.2 percent, to a 5.2, and “Live with Regis and
Kelly” was up 2.9 percent, to a 3.5. At the same time, “Maury” was
down 3.4 percent, to a 2.8, “Jerry” was flat at a 2.2, “Ricki
Lake” was down 14.3 percent, to a 1.2, and “John Walsh” was flat at
a 1.1.
Flaw in George's thinking
July 18, 2003
Dear Editor:
Re: "Oh,
for the day when I choose my entertainment"
by George Simpson.
What
makes George think that he won't have to pay $125 a month (probably, by
then it will $225 a month given cable rate hikes) PLUS the $4.95 per to
download a movie? Expect a price fixed cable menu with all of the goodies
to be al a carte.
Dorothy
Schatzkin
Media Partnership Corporation
Norwalk, Conn.
On SUVs and Jesus
July 15, 2003
Dear Editor:
Re:
"SUV owners: Don't tell us what Jesus would drive"
Who really cares?
SUV owners already have the right to drive whatever
they want and Liberal Christians have just as much right to spread their
philosophical views.
The only purpose these ads serve is to put some extra money
into the USA Today coffers, give the "What Would Jesus Drive?"
campaign a little more mileage, and brand those who think driving the
modern equivalent of the station wagon is "really cool" as
doofuses.
Dave Woodall
Media director
smith/phillips/dipietro
Yakima, Wash.
Selling America in the Arab world
July 11, 2003
Dear Editor:
Re: "Now,
a word from our sponsor, the U.S. . ."
George is half right.
It's not an advertising issue, but it is a branding issue. Once
again, the world largely confuses the two. First you create the brand,
then you raise the brand's awareness with advertising and PR.
Simply raising awareness does nothing: everyone knows about cancer,
but how many people want it?
Rob Frankel
Frankel & Anderson
Los Angeles
Morning papers are quite vital
July 7, 2003
Dear Editor:
Re: “Booming newspapers, just not here” of 24 June 2003.
The article gives a good comprehensive coverage of various newspaper markets across the world.
We at the Times group, publishers of The Times of India, the world’s largest English daily
broadsheet, are in a constant process of evaluating international media trends to realign our business suitably.
Over the last few years we have come across various media reports indicating that the newspaper business in mature markets is on a gradual decline, as also pointed out in
the Media Life article.
The trend in total U.S. newspaper circulation as reported by Newspaper Association of America
indeed supports the declining trend.
However if the data on total circulation is disaggregated for
morning’ and evening’ newspapers, an entirely different picture emerges.
Morning newspapers in the U.S. have increased in circulation from 24 million in 1960 to nearly 47 million in 2000 and
evening newspapers in the corresponding period have reduced in circulation from 35 million to 9 million.
The number of morning newspapers in the same period has increased from 312 to 766 and number of evening newspapers has declined from 1459 to 727.
We observed very similar trends in the biggest newspaper market of the world, Japan, and in Canada. On the basis of circulation alone, the
morning market is more than five times the evening market. For the lack of data at our end, we hazard a guess that advertising market for
morning newspapers would be at least 10 times that of evening newspapers.
We thus feel that in any trend evaluation of the newspaper industry, the
morning and evening newspaper markets should be commented on independently, being two very different segments.
Sumit Mittal
Bennett Coleman & Co. Ltd.
New Delhi , India
The Bernie I remember
July 7, 2003
Dear Editor:
I was a 21-year-old journalism
student straight out of college when I had the extraordinary fortune of
landing as a sales assistant to Brad Jones in the Newport Beach,
California, office of Inc. Magazine.
I didn't know it then but our odds were long to survive more
than a year or two, the publishing business being the dog-eat-dog world it
is. But led by Bernie, and inspired by his personal and financial
commitments, we plowed ahead, not afraid to rub shoulder with Business
Week and Fortune and Forbes (the Big Boys), convinced our message would
strike a cord with readers. And it did.
I left after only three years but not before having had the
good fortune to meet Bernie personally and work on a day-to-day basis with
the staff in Boston, all professionals, and all like family.
I have thought many times of Bernie and the rest of the gang
over the years.
Hearing of his passing brings me sadness, even after
all these years. He was a genius and a risk-taker, and publishing, as well
as the world, is a lesser place without him.
Cindy Ellinger-Schwermer
Villing & Company
Mishawaka, Indiana
On the matter of Spike TV and
your coverage
June 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
Interesting self-realization: I only
enjoy the catty tone and op-ed writing style of Media Life Magazine when I
agree with the slant of the article.
There is an obvious anti-Spike Lee skew to your coverage of
his injunction against TNN, and it bugs. The suit has, as your article
points out, far reaching legal implications for our industry as well as
others, and as such, warrants objective coverage.
A definite and immediate association is made by the
general public when the word "spike" is used in conjunction with
entertainment. I'm not convinced that Viacom renamed its network to purposely
profit from the use of the name, but I, for one, was sure that Spike
TV was a Spike Lee enterprise and was curious as to what he was going to
do on cable TV.
To find out that Spike TV had nothing to do with the man made
me immediately wonder if Spike was cool with the new name of the
network.
I'm not surprised that he isn't. Programming content aside,
the consumer takeaway from the title “Spike TV” is that the network is
somehow his. With consideration of the content, I feel Spike has a right
to protect his image from an association with raunch, and is valid in his
legal pursuit.
Patricia Chambers
Media Consultant
Los Angeles
June 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
For all I know there is an
attempt to cash in on Spike Lee's fame and fortune.
However, we should be reminded that before Lee there was
Jones and hundreds or even thousands of long drinks of water with the
nickname "Spike."
And your writer is right. There is no special magic to this
name that used to be attached to tall, thin guys.
Nancy Lindemeyer
Ardsley-on-Hudson, NY
June 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
In
reading the piece "After
Spike spat, whither TNN?"
I found myself re-checking the heading and the home page to see whether I
was reading a news article or a commentary.
In the middle of reporting on Viacom's legal troubles over
its choice of name for TNN, I was puzzled to find statements about the
legal merits or "silly grounds" of Mr. Lee's suit. I went back
to make sure that I had not missed quotation marks around the comments,
expecting that such commentary must be attributable to a news source and
not to the reporter. Did I miss something?
As
an attorney, I find the characterization of Mr. Lee's by the article
short-sighed at least; after all, the courts have not had their final say.
At a minimum, the comments were inappropriate in an article purporting to
be news.
Further, as a woman I find it reasonable that a public person
would want to disassociate himself and his image with the tasteless, and
yes psuedo-pornographic, content planned by TNN for its relaunch as Spike.
Cheryl Ann Tolbert
Come on, Radar's not all that
great
June 20, 2003
Dear Editor:
“The
best new general interest magazine to find its way to newsstands in
ages”? ("In
praise of Radar, a promise delivered")
Is our memory that short or are we so
totally starved for a magazine that’s not (a) lorded over by publicists,
(b) feeding on insecure women, or (c) feeding cleavage and fart jokes to
“lads”, that our standards are at a low?
Radar is ok, and thank god someone is trying something
different, but it’s not nearly as funny/irreverent as Spy was, nor as
funny/smart as Might was.
Brad Kloza
Brooklyn
Don't blame the NBA finals on
small-market teams
June 17, 2003
Dear Editor:
I
agree with your basic premise that small TV markets equal small
championship ratings.
However, I'd like to point something out to you. If you look
at a DMA map of LA, Anaheim is definitely part of the LA market. Although
Anaheim is 33 miles from downtown LA, that's not that far in LA
distance terms. People commute much further than that every day.
Also the Devils and Nets play in the Meadowlands, which is almost right
across the George Washington Bridge and Hudson River from Manhattan
(generally considered the heart of NYC).
Even if you argue that these suburban teams don't have the
appeal of their urban cousins, you still have to keep in mind that if the
state of New Jersey was a separate TV market, it would still probably be
in the top 10 in population rank.
Maybe some additional factors are also at work here because
the only one of the teams mentioned that fits the mold you're casting is
the San Antonio Spurs.
Arnold Boatner
Senior Account Manager
Interactive Market Systems
Los Angeles
Thanks
for your defense of Martha
June 9, 2003
Dear Editor:
I want to
take a minute from a very busy day to congratulate you on your very smart
column on Martha Stewart ("A
modest, reasoned defense of Martha:
What
we are watching is an egregious abuse of power").
You are absolutely correct and anyone who believes that what
is happening to Martha Stewart is totally justified should ask themselves
why haven't we seen the monsters from Enron and Tyco, etc., subjected to
at least the same kind of smear and destroy campaign?
Martha's no
saint but she is, as you point out, entitled to what the law entitles
everyone else to: innocent until proven guilty.
She's also, God help me, a woman - and perhaps not in the
inner Bush-supermachotestosterone circle, so an easier and less protected
target.
Francine Ryan
Executive Vice President
The Ryan Group
New York
*
June 9, 2003
Dear Editor:
Thank
you for verbalizing what I've been trying to put into words for the past
few days. Now that you've written it, I don't have to wear myself out by
thinking so hard!
Nancy Haynes
Communications Director
Collins, Haynes & Lully Advertising
Charlotte, N.C.
*
Dear Editor:
Thank you for the
Martha Stewart defense. I made the same point at a dinner party this past
weekend and was accused of playing the gender card.
I've forwarded your piece in my own defense.
Christine Salem
Director, Specialty Publishing and Strategic Planning
Outside Magazine
Santa Fe
If Martha, why not
Cheney?
June 6, 2003
Dear Editor:
This
to me is just another example of Bush's "stupid white men"
policy--try to scare everyone into compliance with his mode of thinking (?)
and supposed "family values."
If this were fair, why is Cheney still VP?
Wasn't he part of Halliburton et al?
Give Martha a thumbs up for me!
Maia Daly
Boston
June 4, 2003
Dear Editor:
This woman has made the
most important contribution to wake up American style and the general
citizen's quality of everyday life since Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis walked
into the White House.
I definitely think this ruckus is due to her celebrity and frankly, I
am revolted by this late 20th Century predilection for hounding icons with
the "high-minded" pseudo-justice that permeates the media.
F. Williamson Price
New York
The real reasons
Raines quit The Times
June 6, 2003
Dear Editor:
The following is
in response to your June 6 story on the Howell Raines resignation. In
light of all the talk of disaster and industry upheaval, I thought it
would be appropriate to add the following touch of humor to the subject.
Top 10
Reasons Why Howell Raines Resigned:
10)
Is moving to Atlanta to join Augusta National
9) Will be new spin mater for Martha Stewart
8)
Will co-author “The Truth Behind the War With Saddam” with Baghdad Bob
7)
Will be U.S. editor for London Times and make up daily stories from his
Manhattan apartment
6) Is
going to produce a new series of "On The Road" stories for CBS
Morning News to feature Jayson Blair, which will be taped at Silver Cup
Studios in Queens
5) Plans on
becoming head writer of News Update on "Saturday Night Live"
4) Will
write a book titled ” Editing For Dummies”
3) Had
discovered Times reporters had filed all Iraq War reports from the Side
Track Sports Bar on Queens Boulevard.
2) Is going
to team up with Jayson Blair for a remake of Bill Cosby-Robert Culp
classic series, “I Spy,” to be retitled “I Lie.”
1) Got fed up
working for a boss named “Pinch”
William L. Whitely
Executive Vice President
Communications Science and Technologies
New York
(More) Remembering
'Bonanza's' demise
May 30, 2003
Dear Editor:
This is in response
to Ed Robertson's article (When
perfect doesn't make 'Practice': Kelley,
endless tinkerer, ought to dump the show) and
a letter by Bob Jenkins, RLJ Communications, Chevy Chase, MD and Mr.
Robertson's response.
What all seem to be forgetting is the fact that for the entire
summer of 1972 preceding what turned out to be "Bonanza's" last
season, NBC conducted an elaborate promotion campaign touting the wedding
of Little Joe (Mike Landon).
When "Bonanza" returned leading off the fall
season, viewers found that the writers in their wisdom had constructed a
plot that had Little Joe become a groom and a widower in the wedding
episode.
"Bonanza" never recovered from this plot twist as the
ratings slid throughout the fall. As was reported at the time, many
viewers obviously felt betrayed by the producers.
Another historical point: When the end did come to
"Bonanza" at midseason, Lorne Greene learned the bitter news
from a trade press reporter. In a what's-he-done-for-us-lately move, NBC
management neglected to give their perennial leading network star any
advance notice of their decision to deep-six the Cartwright clan.
William L. Whitely
Executive Vice President
Communications Science and Technologies
New York
The writer responds: Mr.
Whitely is right in pointing out that Bonanza "jumped the shark"
with the old "let's marry off Little Joe then kill off his bride in
the same episode" trick. But the fact remains that Bonanza's
numbers had been steadily declining in each of its previous two seasons
before NBC moved it to Tuesday nights. The slide was serious enough
for the show to consider the wedding/funeral stunt to open the 14th season
in the first place. Aging shows do that all the time. When the
ratings start to dip, they resort to weddings, birth, funerals, divorce
and other gimmicks in hopes of breathing new life to an otherwise ailing
format.
Remembering
'Bonanza's' demise
May 28, 2003
Dear Editor:
Ed Robertson's
article (When
perfect doesn't make 'Practice': Kelley,
endless tinkerer, ought to dump the show)
seems to be spot-on with his examples, but
with 'Bonanza' he should have used the actual situation rather than
conjecture that the loss of Lorne Greene or Michael Landon would have been
the end of the series.
It was, in fact, the death of Dan Blocker in 1972 that
spelled doom for the show. 'Bonanza' was cancelled by NBC halfway through
the following season because no one could replace the lovable Hoss
Cartwright.
On the other hand, the series enjoyed a 14-year run.
Bob Jenkins
RLJ Communications
Chevy Chase, MD
The writer responds: Mr. Jenkins has a point in that the
death of Blocker in 1972 did change the dynamics of the show, but that
wasn't what doomed "Bonanza." What doomed "Bonanza"
was the same thing that spells the demise of many a show: declining
ratings. In fall 1972, the show's fourteenth and last year, NBC pulled it
from its longtime Sunday slot in favor of "Columbo" and the
"NBC Mystery Movie," which had been drawing better numbers. They
put 'Bonanza' on Tuesday, where it got clobbered against "Hawaii
Five-O." Blocker's death may have been a factor, but the show was
clearly long in the tooth at the time and probably would have died anyway.
The point being, of course, Greene was the stalwart lead and Landon was
the teenage heartthrob. Without either of them, "Bonanza" would
not have been the same.
Listen up, ABC, for
some fix-up advice
May 22, 2003
Dear Editor:
Re: At
season's end, ABC is a sinker:
Overcome
by disappointments after hopeful start
Here's a novel way ABC
might help ratings: Avoid alienating viewers by regularly airing programs
during their scheduled time slot.
I will use "Alias" as a case in point,
although I must admit being an avid fan. It's no surprise the show cannot
regularly post strong numbers when viewers tune in mid-season to find a
rerun or are left further bewildered when the show is preempted. Viewers
then wait two or three weeks for a new episode to air.
Once this occurs enough, viewers will not make the same
effort to watch, and ratings will slide. This should be common sense, and
it's really a shame for an award-winning show.
As a viewer, I have asked myself several times, what the
heck's going on over there? It obviously boils down to revenues, but when
it comes to attracting an audience, consistency is a good thing.
Bill Brown
Senior media planner
Ackerman McQueen
Irving, Texas
Off to the hoosegow
with Jayson Blair
May 21, 2003
Dear Editor:
I am appalled by the
gloating remarks coming from the NY Times reporter who fabricated many of
his stories.
This guy is no better than any computer hacker or as you say
in your article, a pyromaniac. I don't know if what he did can be
prosecuted, but it would delight me to know that he will somehow have to
pay for his abhorrent behavior.
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